Saturday, December 03, 2005

அதிசயம் ஆனால் உண்மை !!

ச்ன் டீவீ நேயர்கள் "சிதம்பர ரகசியம்" சீரியல் பார்த்திருப்பீர்கள் என்று நினைக்கிறேன். இன்த தொடர் "நாடி" ஜோசியத்தை மையமாக கொண்டது.

1996'ல் நான் அமெரிக்காவில் படிப்பை முடித்துகொண்டு இருந்தேன். அப்போது காலிங் கார்டு (calling card) உபயோகித்து இந்தியாவில் இருந்த என் பெற்றோறை கூப்பிட்டேன். அப்போதய வழக்கம் போல ச்ண்டை !!

என் பெற்றோர் என் கை ரேகைக்ளை தபாலில் அனுப்பு என்றார்கள்.. எனக்கு ஜாதகம், ஜோசியம் மீது வெருப்பு !! எனக்கென்று ஒரு பெண் இந்த உலகில் பிரந்து இருந்தால் அவளை இந்த ஜோசியர்களால் ஏன் இன்னும் கண்டு பிடிக்க முடியவில்லை ?

இந்த சண்டை ஒரு பத்து பதினைந்து நிமிடங்கள் நீடித்திருக்கும். அப்போது என் "அட்வைசர்" (thesis advisor -குரு) ரூமுக்குள் வந்தார். அமெரிக்கரானாலும் இந்திய கலாசாரத்தை பற்றி நிறைய விஷயங்கள் தெரிந்தவர். "இந்த சின்ன சின்ன விஷயங்களுக்காக ச்ண்டை போட்டு என்ன சுகத்தை கண்டாய் ? கை ரேகை தானே கேட்கிறார்கள் ? குடுத்துவிடு ! அவர்களுக்கு அதை வைத்து ஏதேனும் தெரிந்தால் அதை அவர்களோடு வைத்துக்கொள்ள சொல்.. " என்றார்.. அவரே போய் ஒரு காகிதத்தில் என் லாபில் இருந்த இங்க்கை வைத்து என் கை ரேகைக்ளை பதிவு செய்தார்.. ஒரு கவரில் அந்த காகிதத்தை போட்டு என் வீட்டு விலாசத்தை எழுத வைத்து "நான் வீட்டுக்கு போகும் போது இதை தபால் பெட்டியில் போட்டு விடுகிறேன்" என்றார். அன்று என் அட்வைசரிட்மிருந்து நான் கற்றுக்கொண்ட பாடம் "சின்ன விஷயங்களுக்காக யாரோடும் சண்டை போட்க்கூடாது !"..

அந்த தபால் போய் சேர்ந்ததா இல்லையா என்றுகூட நான் என் பெற்றோறை கேட்கவில்லை ! சுமார் பத்து மாதங்களுக்கு பிரகு நான் இந்தியா சென்றேன். அப்போது என் கை ரேகை கிடைத்ததா என்று கேட்டேன்..உடனே அப்பா ஒரு ஆடியோ காஸட்டை எடுத்து வந்தார்.

அந்த காஸெட்டில் இருந்த விஷயங்களை என்னால் மரக்கவே முடியாது !! என் பெயர், என் தந்தை, தாய், பெயர், என் உடன் பிறப்புகளின் எண்ணிக்கை, என் படிப்பு, என் முழு ஜாதகம் (எந்த கட்டத்தில் எந்த கிரகம் உள்பட !!), திருமணத்தை பற்றிய என் எண்ணங்கள், என்று என்னை திகைக்க வைக்கும் அளவுக்கு குறிப்புகள் !! இத்தனை விஷயங்களும் என் கை ரேகையிலிருந்து ??

இதில் பிரமிப்பிற்க்குறிய விஷயம் என்ன தெரியுமா ? "இவனுடைய பலன்கள் இப்போது உங்களுக்கு தெரிந்தாலும், இவனுடைய இருபத்திஐந்தாம் வயதுக்கு பின் தான் இவன் தெரிந்து கொள்வான்" என்று சொல்லி இருந்தார்கள் !

இது வரை அந்த காஸெட்டில் இருந்த விவரங்கள் பொய்யாகவில்லை !!

இது எப்படி சாத்தியமாகும் ? இதைப்பற்றி நான் அவ்வளவாக சிந்திக்க மாட்டேன். என் வாழ்கை ஏர்கனவே நிர்ணயிக்கப்பட்டது என்று என்னால் ஒப்புக்கொள்ள முடியவில்லை !! ஆனால் விஞ்ஞானரீதியில் இது என்னை பிரமிக்க வைக்கிரது !

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Visithra Version :

Sun TV viewers "chidambara ragasiyam" serial paathiruppengannu ninaikkaren. indha serial "Naadi" josiyaththa base panni eduththadhu.

1996 : naan padippai mudiththu kondu irundhen. calling card use panni en pettrorai indiavil koopitten. vazhakkam pola phonil sandai dhan. En appa amma an kai reegaigalai mailil anuppa sonnargal. enakku indha josiyam, jaadagam vishayame pidikkadhu. oru veruppu. enakkendru indha vulagil oruththu irukkiraal endraal avalai kandu pidikka indha josiyargaal enn ivvalavu neeram eduththu koLgiraargal ?

appodhu en professor roomukkul vandhar. Enna ore saththam ? thagaraaru ? (although s American , knew a lot about India, Indian culture, Me !) and was very practical. If it is just a fingerprint, just send it. why bother arguing with them. Goes on to take the ink pad in my office, put my thumbprint on a piece of paper and makes me write my address on an envelope.. I will mail this on my way home.. go back to work.
An important lesson I learnt that day "dont argue over silly things"..

did not even bother to check if the fingerprints reached India or not. almost ten months later I went to India. kai rEgai enna aachu ? I asked my parents. engappa udane oru audio cassetteai eduthtu vandhar..

andha cassetteil irundha vishayangalai ennal marakkave mudiyaadhu. en peyar, en amma appa peyar, enakku eththanai thambi thangaigal, eththanai thaai maamakkal, en padippu, velai, kalyaanaththai paththi en ennangal, ellam thulliyamaga sollappattu irundhadhu. idhellam en kai regailirundhu ??

idhil bramikka vaikkum vishayam enna theriyumaa ? "ivanudaya palangal ungalukku ippodhu therindhaalum, ivanukku avanudaiya 25aam pirandhanaalukku piragu dhan theriyum" endu sonnargal. adhuvum unmai !!

indruvarai, andha tape-il irukkum vishayam ellam paliththulladhu. How is this possible ? en vaazhkai erkanave nichchayikkappatta oru vishayama ? ennal adhai oppukkolla mudiyavillai ! I dont think about this tape much unless there is some major event in my life ! irundhalum, scientific-a pakkum podhu idhu ennai biramikka vaikkiradhu.. Just truly amazing!!

50 Comments:

At 7:36 PM, Blogger Adaengappa !! said...

Thats very true sir..
This time when i went to India,i was taken to a "naadi josiyam" center..Though i was skeptical about it,i just cudnt believe when the "astrologer" gave my facts correctly.
May be our future is pre-determined !

 
At 7:37 PM, Blogger Adaengappa !! said...

You may want to post this in main blog !!
I guess,its a good topic to disuss !!

 
At 7:46 PM, Blogger Sundar Narayanan said...

Prabhu sir, i will write it up tonight.. if baby allows me..

thanks

 
At 8:49 PM, Blogger Narayanan Venkitu said...

I've heard about Naadi Josiyam..and several people have also recommended it to me.

I have to experience it to comment about it...In the meantime..I am surprised that it made you think a little bit in favor of it.! I've seen several people talk about this.

If this is true..then the Nadi Josiar's can solve all crimes.!!! If this is true..why didn't some corporate giant make use of it to build an empire.!! No ide.!!

But...we should be careful here..someone ( our own guys living here) will patent it.!! :)

 
At 10:34 PM, Blogger Sundar Narayanan said...

naryanan sir, i have been laughing so much after i read your comment.. reminded me of "minority report" another movie that actually made me think of this tape..

solving crime ahead of time !!
spielberg naadi josiyam paththaro ?

:)

 
At 7:45 PM, Blogger முத்து(தமிழினி) said...

simple Mr.Sundar Narayanan>

ask your father how they have arrived the facts about you in the casette...
without asking any questions if they could arrive the facts with your fingerprints only then we can believe..but that is not happening...

 
At 9:09 PM, Blogger நேச குமார் said...

சுந்தர்,

மேலே முத்து அவர்கள் சொல்லியிருப்பது போல கைரேகையுடன் மற்ற விபரங்களையும் அவர்கள் கேட்பதுண்டு - இதற்கு அவர்கள் சொல்லும் காரணம் சரியான சுவடியைக் கண்டுபிடிக்க வேண்டும் என்பதே.

அதே போல், உங்களது பிறந்த தேதியையும் உங்களது பெற்றோரிடமிருந்து வாங்கியிருப்பார்கள். அதை வைத்து ஜாதகம் (ஓரளவுக்கு) கணித்து விட முடியும். லக்கினம் போன்றவைகள் மாறும், ஆனால் நமக்கிருக்கும் பரவசத்தில் லக்கினம், தசாம்சம் போன்றவையும் சரியாக வந்திருக்கிறதா என்பதைக் கவனிப்பதில்லை.

மற்றபடி, இவையெல்லாம் போகஸ் என்று எனக்குப் பட்டாலும், அவர்கள் சொல்லும் சில விஷயங்கள் அப்படியே உண்மையாக அமைவது ஆச்சர்யமே.

ஜாதகம் தெரிந்த நன்பர் ஒருவர் என்னிடம் சொன்னது, அவர்கள் நாளை வைத்து ஜாதகம் கணித்து விடுகின்றனர். மிகச் சிறந்த நாடி சோதிட நிபுணர்கள் நேரில் வருகிறவரின் நாடியென்றால் அங்கலட்சனங்களை வைத்து எந்த கிரகத்தின் சார்பு மேலோங்கியிருக்கிறது என்று யூகித்து கிட்டத்தட்ட ஜாதகத்தை முழுவதுமாகவே கணித்துவிடுகின்றானர்.

ஜாதகத்தை கணித்த பின்னர், இவர்களிடம் இருக்கும் ஃபார்முலாவை வைத்து (அனைத்து பாரம்பரிய நாடி சோதிட நிபுணர்கள் அனைவருமே வள்ளூவர்கள்-வைத்தீஸ்வரன்கோவில் பகுதியைச் சேர்ந்தவர்கள் என்பது கவனிக்கத் தக்கது) மிகச்சரியாக பலன்களைக் கூறிவிடுகின்றனர்.

நன்பர் சொன்னது, சூட்சுமம் அந்த ஃபார்முலாவில் தான் உள்ளது. மற்றபடி, பெயர், குடும்பத்தினரின் பெயர் போன்றவையெல்லாம் புரட்டு வேலைதான் - எனக்கும் அதுவே சரியெனப் படுகிறது.

 
At 11:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Refer to Naadi Jodhidam at this website.

http://www.geocities.com/kadaaramweb/index2.html

 
At 1:16 AM, Blogger Vijay said...

சுந்தர்
இது எல்லாம் சுத்த கப்ஸா, படித்த நீங்களும் இதை நம்புவதால் தான், ஆட்சியாளர்களும் தைரியமாக இதை கையில் எடுத்துக் கொள்கிறார்கள்.
நான் நாள்,கிழமை, ஜாதகம், ஜாதி எதுவும் பார்க்கவில்லை. என் திருமணம் நடை பெற்ற கிழமை கூட சனிக்கழமை. இருந்தாலும் நானும் என் மனைவியும் சந்தோஷமாக வாழ்ந்து வருகிறோம்.(மற்றவர்களைப் போல)

தயவு செய்து இது மாதிரியான மூடநம்பிக்களை தவிருங்கள்
விஜய்
பெங்களூர்

 
At 10:51 PM, Blogger Sundar Narayanan said...

முத்து, நீங்கள் சொல்வது சரியாக இருக்கலாம். நான் அங்கு செல்லவில்லை. என் பெற்றோறிடமிருந்து அவர்கள் தகவல்களை வாங்கி இருக்கலாம்.

நேச குமார், இது வரை எனக்கு இவ்வளவு அழகான ஒரு "explanation" யாரும் அளிக்கவில்லை !!

anonymous , உங்கள் "link" குக்கு சென்றேன். ஆனால் "error" வந்தது !! அந்த article "geocities" site-இல் இப்போது இல்லை !!

விஜய், நான் எழுதியதை சரியாக படிக்கவில்லை என்று நினைக்கிறேன்.. வியப்பாக இருக்கிறது என்று தான் சொன்னேனே தவிர "எனக்கு சாதகமாக இருந்தும்" அதை என்னால் ஏற்றுக்கொள்ள முடியவில்லை என்று சொல்லி இருந்தேன்..

ஆனால் உங்களுக்கு ஒரு அறிவுரை, படித்த நீங்களே ந்ம்பலாமா என்று கேட்டிருந்தீங்கள்...

நான் படித்தவன் தான்.. ஆனால் படித்து பட்டம் வாங்கிவிட்டதால் "எனக்கு புரியாத" விஷயங்கள் அனைத்தையும் "மூட நம்பிக்கை" என்று சொல்லுவது படித்தவனுக்கு அழகல்ல !! எதையுமே தீர விசாரணை செய்து, அதன் பின் முடிவு செய்ய வேண்டும்.

இந்த "நாடி" பற்றி எனக்கு போதிய அளவு "data" இல்லாததால் அது வியப்பிற்க்குறிய விஷயமாக உள்ளது !!

To sum it up, either prove "naadi" to be bogus with the scientific method of "hypothesis, experiment, result and inferrence " or accept it as "para normal". I am pretty sure Agasthiya munivar was much smarter than I was (if indeed he wrote those palm leaves). Having said that, the people who do business with the leaves might be bogus, but maybe Agastiyar was not !!

 
At 2:19 AM, Anonymous JayBee said...

I dont know what has happened to the links.

It was in Anjal inaimathi fonts. Which would have also been difficlt to read.

I will see if I have the article series in tscii with me. If I have, I will convert it to unicode and post it in one of the blogs and give you the link.

Its better to study the system and see if it works or not.

A lot of things cannot work; but they do work. A lot of things cannot be done; but still there are people who do them.

Varma kalai is a mysterious art. So is acupuncture.

We must learn, study.

If there is truth in them, then they must be put to good use to serve humanity.

If we dispel them as myths or humbug, then humanity will lose something that rightfully belongs to them which have been given by our forebears.
That would be a waste. An uncalled for waste.

 
At 5:37 PM, Blogger Sundar Narayanan said...

jaybee, i would really appreciate if you can forward me your article..

i am writing a post about this attitude.. will post it today.

 
At 8:09 PM, Anonymous JayBee said...

:-)

I have already dug out the old mails that I wrote in Tamil.net email group in 1997.

That bulk of mails formed the main part of my book on 'Naadi JOthidam'.

I have changed them into tscii and yesterday started posting them in Agathiyar email group. I am also refurbishing the article.

I will be converting it into unicode and will be posting it in a blog.

I wll also put it up in wikipaedia.

:-)
So.....
You have started all this chain of events.
:-)

 
At 11:57 PM, Blogger Sundar Narayanan said...

ஜே பீ, உங்க புத்தகத்தோட தலைப்பு, யார் வெளியீடு , இந்த விவரங்களை சொல்லுங்களேன் ?

வாங்கி படிக்கறேன் !!

:)

 
At 7:42 AM, Blogger visithra said...

sundar jaybee sir is one very knowledgeable person - especially from this side of the world ;)

avar sohlanalum paravaleh ill give his blog ad ;p

http://kadaaramweb.blogspot.com/

just hes stopped blogging coz he hasn't gotten the right interaction ;)

 
At 10:09 AM, Blogger Sundar Narayanan said...

visithra, thanks a ton.

i have been reading his stuff. real good.

jaybee sir, I can see why you are not getting the right interactions. you seem to have a knack of doing reaserch to support your conclusions with data. anyone who studies eastern thought with the western method or vice versa has the same issue. I have seen americans who are trying to learn homeopathy or naturopathy being called quacks !!

 
At 4:41 PM, Anonymous Anand Subramanian said...

Hello Guys,
It is very worrisome to see future pillars of India(or USA) are thinking in the line of Nadi Jothidam and going backwards in time. Come on guys, these guys are fooling around. It is very evident. Let me introduce myself, I am a doctor here in USA. I went with one of my friends to Vaitheeswara Koil. I would not have visited in first place. I went to give a marriage invitation to my friend in Chidambaram. I was driven to Chidambaram by another friend of mine who insisted in going there. I was actually watching initially about what they were doing with my friend. Let me tell why I do not believe those guys, point by point. If someone else has valid argument, please contribute.
1. Nadi jothidam basically means jothidam when someone really 'SEEKS' it. Thats why its called Nadi jothidam. This is the explanation given by them. Its really not connected to pulse(Nadi in tamil),hahahah.
2. Basic flaw: They advertise that all the future has been written by Agathiyar several years back and each individual has a 'Olai'. But, my question is, there are more than 100 Nadi jothidam centers in Vaitheeswaran koil and they have a branch near Kurtallam or somewhere else too, hahahahahaa. Did agathiyar make photocopies of those innumerous 'Olai's??? Every center says, they have an Olai for you.
3. They ask you several questions. They get the answers from you. I mean, they do it really cleverly(thats why they survive). They get the hints from you. They ask you to say, yes or no. And even before starting the session, they tell you that, if you do not give real information, finding your Olai will be delayed. They ask you so many leading questions like, your name is 5 letters, 6 letters, related to a god, things like that. They have the protocol or the knack of getting there(you can give that 50 rupees or 100 rupees for that question asking ability, hahahahahha). What they finally do is, they arrive at your Nakshathiram, year of birth, day of birth(somehow, by astrological calculations like this nakshathiram means, he is born in this month). They finally arrive at the Jathagam squares(rasi squares). Then, its no different from a regular astrologers who tells you the effects of Sani or Chevvai, guru and all these folks, hahahhahhaha. The interrogation is very clever and they should be employed in the jails to get information from prisoners.
4.They go to the room in 15 minutes, if they are not able to get adequate information from you. They tell you that your olai is not in the bundle what he has now. So, he goes in to get another olai. But, he really is not getting any olai from inside. He goes inside and corraborates all the information he asked from you. Like, name is 5 letter, name is one of Murugan's names, one brother and one sister things like that. So, he also calculates, like how to get more information from this guy then he comes back. Then, again same leading questions and he gets adequate information. He gets adequate information, but he does not say that he got the olai in the bundle that he has, because you will ask for it and will look at it. Here is the crucial juncture and they are extremely clever in playing this. He reaches a conclusion for himself that all data are adequate and he tells you that your information is not in this olai bundle. He also tells you that, he is going to get the last bundle for the day and if there is no olai for you, you have to come again. You will ask, how is he going to get the bundle(I asked). He says, may be from other branch, hahahahahhahahh. So, he goes in and you go nail biting, ahhahahha, thinking that your money is gone or what,hhahhahahhahaa. Finally, our Nadi jothidar comes in 10-15 minutes and says that it took him time find out the last bundle. He goes again asking you leading questions. This time, very irrelevant questions to make it seem that he is really looking to find. After a few minutes, he says that he has found out your Olai. My god, your face lights up in astonishment. You ask him that can I see the Olai?(I did). He shows you the Olai calmly, and my god,all the information is there in one Olai in the form of a tamil song(you can sing in any ragam, haahhaha). What an achievement, wow. Our Nasa scientist believes it and is very proud of India and its powers, hahaaahahha.
5. What happened really? He got the information already. Goes in saying that he has not got the Olai. Goes in, takes an Olai and types the information on a fresh olai(of course, it is made to look old and dirty). He inserts into a bundle of crap Olais and brings it before you. He goes in after that and regular jathagam squares come to play after this.(I am not blaming the jathagam here, its going to take me another page to argue, hahahahha). So, basically he tells you the jadhagam palangal.
6. Am I building up my own imaginations? One would certainly ask this question as I keep on telling my views. Here are the valid arguments and evidences. First of all,the olai he showed us had tamil letters clearly written. But, when agathiyar was there(if at all he lived, hahaaahha), Tamil alphabets were very different. I myself have seen old Olais of my Grandfather who used to have them in side a small hole at the back of Sami pictures in his ancient house. Next one is beyond everybody's imagination. I wanted to prove myself as I believed,my friends would not accept my theory. I have to show them a valid evidence, right? I secretly took (stole) one of those Olais when he went inside to bring another one. I brought that Olai home. First, I asked my Grandfather about the NadiJothidam. He had a high respect for this. He told me his experience with this and his astonishment. Then, I handed him the stolen Olai and I asked him to read it. He read it and asked me what is this. I asked him how many years old is this olai. He said, definitely not more than 200 years as his olais were around 200 years old and they were very different. He also pointed out that the olai writer they used was not very crisp like a surgical blade so you can see lots of blemishes while writing. He pointed out that this is not an old olai first of all. Then, he asked me who gave this to me. I told him, I stole this one from Vaitheeswaran koil, his favourite nadi jothidam. ahahhaahhhaa. He was really surprised like everyone else in the house. Even then, he came to me (after half an hour of research with that olai) and said, you might have gone to a duplicate Nadi Jothidam, ahhahahhahahah. My goodness, you can never make people believe you. What else can you show and prove other than this? ahahahhahahha.
I was keeping that Olai with me. I was thinking about Carbon dating that Olai. Then I found out, its really an expensive process and this olai really does not deserve it. If I were on a mission and someone sponsors it, I would certainly go again and steal another olai, hahahahhahah.
Anyway, the bottom line is, its humbug. They are nothing different from Magicians. All of us know and even magicians tell you that its not real, its a magic and an art that can be learnt with some difficulty. This is not even that range of art, ahhahahaha. This is a good interrogation skill. By the way,they make a lot of money and send you the cassette to USA or UK. They might have already started overseas branch. If I am on the money making spree, I would certainly bring one of them here and make a huge amount of money in USA and UK as you guys are going to pay in dollars. I can make the Olais very fast with the technology here, like laser printing olais, ahhahahhahahah. You guys will still believe it. Forgive me for the long explanation. But, if somebody gets clear about this after reading this, thats the victory for my effort. Thanks very much for your time.
Yours,
Anand Subramanian,
Detroit, Michigan.USA. email:Owlanand@yahoo.com

 
At 5:41 PM, Blogger Sundar Narayanan said...

dear dr. anand,

no one is endorsing nadi josiyam here. no one is believing it per se either . at least not me. the reason i wrote a long comment and a followup earlier is because there are a lot of things in our culture which are rejected instantly by our own people because we have a very low attitude to our own past. you may be right and nadi josiyam may be a fraudulent thing. it might be a fancy way to promote hindu astrology (which is another thing people find hard to believe).

:)

once again, you prove my point. just because you work for NASA does not mean you should have an instinctive hate for things you dont understand. i will fully concede to you that naadi is a fraud, provided there is plain and simple proof (which you seem to have) !!

if einstein predicts there are black holes people dont mock him. they give him a nobel prize. years later some dude proves it to be true. i just ask for the same expectation when it comes to eastern science and art. prove it or disprove it with data. if you cant disprove it, wait (even if it means a few decades) before you say it is false..

have a good one..

 
At 1:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi,
Even I have the similar kind of experiances in my life....
This realizes there is some force behine us and make us to play.If we really think about it.it is amazing!!

 
At 2:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, I read all the 19 comments posted hered. I am residint in India. My name is Sreeja. I ahve not physically visited this naadi jothidam centre, But my parents and uncle ahve visited and they were told some information. Let me tell u my father's point of view or his experiences. For my father, he does not know his correct tiem of his birth. He told me that his jhadhagam is also a genuine true one becuase that was not written at the time of his birth.

When he visited naadi jothidam centre in chennai, the things he ehard about what kindof person he is, his field of work, all the information to some extent does not match. actually, he knew his nakshatra, the date of birth, but the time alone, he does not know, that is his jhadhagam was written some time after his birth,

Then it clearly says that this nadi jhodhidam is purely an astrology thing,, and the olais they tell is all rubbish. this is my point of view. When my father asked why the information they told him were not correct, he got reply as when people nadi vandha dhaan nadi jhodhidam tells them the true facts, if they come with half minded, then they will not get their correct information.

Well, i shoudl also add that naadi jhodhidham, the old concept of agasthiyar period may b true but what this present world tells is purely for money/cash. So we dont ahve to actually believe this.

 
At 11:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep open mind to accept the unknown. To my experience if you can pull out the correct oolai then every thing will be true from NAADI JODHIDAM. The main and difficult part is to get your correct oolai. Before you go to see any NAADI JODHIDAR make sure your date of birth , time are correct. Because when the parents wrote the horroscope most of the time they must have told the approximate time & date of birth of a child. According to Tamil Astrology from 6 AM to next day morning 6AM. But According to English the date changes after midnight. Before you go to check astrologhy of any kind make sure your informations are correct.

 
At 3:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi
i had a plan to go to meet those people by this week end
but everybody is saying various things
so getting confused to proceed with it
actually but my husband is a hard worker and talented personality too
getting problem to be placed in a good company
thats y v made this decision
so people whenever facing such tragedies they need these things to face
but who is the authority to proove these things
people who has faith in god definitely belive these things too
isn't it
if there is a good thing na surely negative forces could occur over there

 
At 2:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can anyone tell me the adress of original Naadi Jothida Nilayam? I am interested in " Naadi Jhothida " I don't know with whom I have to contact to get the actual Naadi Jhothida Kurippukal.Waiting for your reply

 
At 3:44 PM, Blogger Sundar Narayanan said...

my parents went to this agastiya nadi jyodidam place in east tambaram (new state bank colony) in chennai.

:)

 
At 3:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I personally went to this Nadi jyodidam It is perfectly correct and amazing thing, i was really stunned when the reader gave all my name, my parents name and career and education background without getting any inputs from me i just need to answer yes or no for the questions asked by the reader.

Also he said my past, present and future wherein i could say my past and present details given by him is true so i am satisfied with this jyodidam and i belive on this. For those who said this is purely fraud or bogus from my personal experience i would say this is true and have to believe the facts which could be predicted...

 
At 3:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I personally went and gave my thumb impression and i am happy with the predictions. Someone have asked about the address. This is the place where i went and saw many people from all over the states who came for this jyodidam.

The Nadi Jyothidam where is went is in Tambaram.Agathiya mahasiva Jyothida nilayam, no.36, New state bank colony (behind philips hospital) west tambaram. ch - 45. Registration of your thumb impression from 8.30 - 9.00 a.m. monday holiday

 
At 4:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi

I am in love with a guy.He is a hindu and i am a christian. I told my parents that i love him.With neighbours advice,they took me to nadi jodhidam to listen what he says.But the guy who tells nadi joshiyam told very good about me and after seeing his palm reading,he also told that whoever marries that guy is going to die...
I was more disappointed on his rest of the dialogues also.

Then my parents adviced me to forget him.But i didnt.So they again went to jodhidar who predicts jadhagam and they also said some negative points only.

Then i told my boyfriend about this.So he went to someother jodhidar and they told that anyway we have to wait till 2008 to get married, otherwise we wont lead a happy life.

We are really confused, and dont know whether to believe it or not.We really love each other and we dont have any other option to marry someother.

We dont know whether we have to believe him and wait, or to get married. My parents are opposing now...

Please suggest me an idea,because i am really confused.... :(

by
poor girl

 
At 9:31 PM, Blogger Sundar Narayanan said...

poor girl

please see my english blog

sundar72.blogspot.com

for the response..

:)

 
At 10:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our path is already designed. Still we have a choice to modify it for better or not.
But, the the result is entirely not in our hand.

www.snadesu@hotmail.com

 
At 12:40 PM, Blogger Tamilanivan said...

Hi read through most of the comments here as sundar says no one here is to endorse it but u cant outrightly reject it without any kind of proof to say it is bogus.Yes there might be people who are cheating around ,but concluding like that might again destroy some thign that is really true and make another wonder of india just vanish ;-) it has worked for a dozen people i know it has worked me too for atleast the past 5 years but what i feel is "ones destiny is in his own mind" rather than in some leaf or some predictions by experienced people .in fact a lot of these things have come true for many people just because they started believing outrightly in it without any questions.

Be it true or bogus there is nothign wrong in being positive in life take out the good things from in there and try to avoid or atlest not bother about the bad ones,it just gives something extra to work more enthusiastically when u come across events described there.

I just wanna signoff by not being judgemental if any one here has seen the movie "what the Bleep do we know" i think they ll understand what i am talking about we are mere puppets just presented with a the limited number of the infinite choices avaiable and if we are intelligent enough to look into life in a retrospective manner and be in the right minds we will be able to transfer the few choices into infinite ones "ellam kanakku than" the famous dialogue in chidamara ragasiyam is the truth ellam probability and combination than .Un valkkai un kayil ;-)

 
At 12:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

HI GUYS,

THIS IS VIJAY KUMAR, WRITING FROM CHENNAI.

IF U WANT U CAN CONTACT ME IN cdvijay100@yahoo.co.in.

Regarding the NADI Jothidam, I would like to say that it is an art followed by ancient people from india and the olais are all written in KRAND Letters. They are not the letters/alphapets that we use in TAMIL today.

Any way, it is an art practiced by our forefathers.

I have most miraculous news about my own lifes and it was most accurately predicted by the NADI specialists, which I will let you know later

 
At 8:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Naadi is 100% true and i feel it directely before three years. Now it is possible when they said.

- Ramprasath
vishnugraphix@mail.com

 
At 4:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This for some doctor from USA.. who wrote so many lines in here.. I have a question for you.. Do you believe in GOD? If you do.. Prove it. Can you? If you don't then there is no point in trying to say abt this Nadi Joshiyam.. No offence Sir.. If you think God Exists.. Just think about it?? ITS THE SAME WAY NADI JOSHIYAM WORKS...For those who believe its Worth it..For rest its a CRAP.. As simple as that.

Any regrets : storm.cyclops@gmail.com

 
At 7:16 PM, Blogger Sundar Narayanan said...

storm.cyclops ..

what you say is true of anything for anyone in any belief system! anything is worth it for anyone who believes it, for the rest it is crap. Be it cricket, rajni movies, religion, god, science, environment,.. so Nadi is no exception. As simple as that. I am not exactly endorsing Naadi or dissing it. But the funny thing is people like yourself think that just because someone is a doctor in the USA, they should automatically reject this idea !!

What exactly are doctors in the USA supposed to believe?

:)

 
At 7:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sometimes back I went to Nadi astrologer. He exactly told about past.

But future?????? who can predict???

Am almost tired about reading stories about astrlogy and astrlogical reports in web But am happy because I am out from 7.5 from august 2007.

helloshivahere@yahoo.co.in

 
At 3:56 AM, Blogger VSS said...

unmaithan idu

 
At 10:34 AM, Blogger raju4u said...

Sir
I want to ask you one thing now
Was the Nadi right about your future wife - at that time was it right about your kids

 
At 11:31 PM, Blogger prem said...

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At 11:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi All,

i am from chennai.I Just read all of your messages.I am also thinking to go there.But can any one tell me which Nadi Jothidam shall i believe?My native is near Vaitheswaran koil.but i know in vaotheswaran koil there is lot of Nadi Jothidam is there.I dont know which one is true?please any one give me the True Nadi Jothidar Address in chennai.

 
At 6:52 AM, Blogger chittoor.S.Murugeshan said...

I am not to bore you. Even though I am an astrologer I gone to kanchi for nadi jothidam.

They had collected some clues from me itself about my birth detail and family.

They given a horo derived according to vakya.

Nothing was realised in future.

 
At 8:51 AM, Blogger Preetha said...

I was challenging my mom dat he cant findout my name...I was too surprised when the naadi jodhidar told me all abt d facts...aah!!

Howzat possible?

They say dat agathiya munivar wrote our fate dictated by brahma

....looks like...All the world's a stage huh?

 
At 6:29 AM, Blogger global said...

hi
please give the nadi jothidam address and phonenumber

your friend

 
At 8:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey ppl.. Naadhi jodhidam is very true.. I've heard stuff from them which has rocked all the basis of science.. But.. Be careful.. There are many frauds around.. The general procedure is the jodhidar will take your finger print.. He will then look for the "Naadi Katukal" which matches your finger print.. In each "katu" there will be many many leaflets one of which may match your hmmm.. Future.. So the person will start asking questions from the starting of each leaflet and ask you if it matches.. Generally they don't ask specific stuff.. And never give a specific answer.. Jus say yes/no.. If you feel like the guy is taking stuff from you, leave.. It is better not to know your future tehn to hear a bogus one..


By specific stuff i mean he can ask if you were born between Jan - March but not try a group of months one by one and trying to get the exact month from you...

Same goes to your "Raasi" also.. Never give the actual raasi.. I mean if he asks for it specifically.. It would be kids play for them to guess the birthday if you give the "raasi" and your birth month..
Jus one thing.. NEVER GIVE ANY SPECIFIC INFORMATION Original ppl will never ask such stuff..
Questions they might ask can be

1)If you born between some specific months or the person might give a specific month once and if it is true go ahead.. If he repeats this leave the place...
2) He might give options for the first letter of your dad's name or mom's name.. Jus once or twice with very specific amount of alphabets..
3) He might give your birthday without asking much details as point 1.. Go ahead...
And stuff like this.. If you get one bit of doubt he is pulling your legs, Walk out.. Immediately.. Its not worth it...
And i hear authentic ones don't tell anything in tamil or english or other local languages.. One person generally reads out the sanskrit sayings which will be in a form a song and another person will translate it for you.. If the person starts rattling of the stuff in tamil be cautious.. If you have read the above stuff you woll never come here cause you will be long gone from the place..
If the person is authentic and he gets your proper "Yetu Chuvadi", then you are in for the biggest shock of your life.. I promise you will start thinking where is science.. I am not exaggerating..


Jus don't fall for the fraud jodhidars' trap.. Walk out if you are not sure.. Sincerely.. And try some other place... I suggest ppl near or in temples for from what i have heard, they are more authentic..


I am not saying i am not a believer of Agathiyar Munivar..
I believe everything he says from "an authentic jodhidar".. Just be careful with such frauds who play around with such powerful stuff..

 
At 2:14 AM, Anonymous santhosh said...

fine your article is very nice , keep develop , , i like nadi jothidam

Thanks

 
At 4:28 AM, Blogger rizwan said...

please give authentic address...rest leave to god...

 
At 9:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ovvoruvarukkam oru nambikkai, but without being there we cannot comment

yes i have visited naadi jyothidam @ kanchipuram and was amazed by the details he given me , he told me my dob (tamil & english) my dad's name, mom's name and wife's name and so on

i shld wait and see whether my future is going to be as he said!

 
At 3:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I too have experienced this nadi stuff..

I started believing it only when they guessed that my husband's name is the same as my dad's name. They didnt ask any question about my husband's name. I was shocked when they predicted this.

They have predicted my future as well, but lets see if it happens.

 
At 7:28 AM, Blogger Viswa said...

sir....tell the place address where u saw that naadijothidar

 
At 11:19 AM, Blogger sarayu said...

sir i didn't understand one thing what is nadi it means pulse of human being so nadi jothidam means they should see the pulse rating for the jothidam na.. but they r telling with birthday date and time.
but in one thing iam very clear.. what ever our ancient found is very true but know for money some people misusing the name... because with out knowing anything they r telling i know everything in naadi jothidam.. 90% of suvadigal was destroyed.. only few are there with that many people telling just blabbering what ever they know's. But some people can tell some thing correctly but v can't believe everything. for some people they can tell perfectly for some they can tell everything wrong so better don't go and see and confuse our mind.. whatever happen is happen whatever going to happen will be happen nothing can be done.
for an every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction. so what ever u did surely u will get the reword for that.

 
At 10:28 PM, Blogger vijaymandy said...

Hi
Iam vijay
how to learn we also

 

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